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warantless wiretaping
Jul 8 2008, 12:49 AM EDT
one problem with signing a bill that will allow unfettered access to everyone's information is that there can be a feast of blackmailing. does this mean that the telecom companies will get to run our country? if they have some dirt on you and you are in the public eye or they can pretend to have some dirt, does that mean you are at their mercy??? is this why no one wants to call their bluff now?? come on, you are better than that!
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1. RE: warantless wiretaping
Jul 8 2008, 1:50 AM EDT
I think we're going in the right direction by including an expectation that Obama address the 4th Amendment issues of the bill in general. Telecom immunity would be another outrageous example of corporations being paid by this administration to do things I think are abominable, joining the company of Haliburton and BlackWater, and never being held accountable. That would be, as I said, outrageous and strikes indirectly at the Constitution. To legislate the continuing violation of our Bill of Rights, I think, strikes at the root of our civil liberties and implicates our candidate and our party in the erosion of that which literally constitutes America.
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2. RE: warantless wiretaping
Jul 8 2008, 2:14 AM EDT
I don't even think that it has to be about blackmail. If the changes to FISA go through, don't think for a moment that the Republicans won't be spying on Obama. Democrats who vote for the new bill are giving the election to McCain instead of having them steal it from us, in some sort of latter-day Watergate-type break-in and cover-up. They won't even have to break in! They'll be able to listen to Obama's phone calls, read his e-mails, all legally. All Obama's strategies (or any Democrat's!) will go down the drain because some Karl Rovian turd-blossom will be listening somewhere and planning like a Grinch to steal America back from the disenfranchised and the un-listened-to. Read what Buzzflash has to say about this at: http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/1677 It's got to stop here. The Constitution is eroded enough. Funny twist of irony -- all of THEIR e-mails strangely disappear at the White House, and all of OURS will be catalogued somewhere! Even this Wiki might be catalogued on some NSA hard drive! We all have to rededicate ourselves to fighting for our civil liberties. FISA always worked and had built-in safeguards that Bush never followed. Bush started spying MONTHS before 9/11.. Enough is enough. It's Tea Party time. George Lakoff is good at framing the new discussion at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/the-mind-and-the-obama-ma_b_111105.html where he talks about what Obama stands to gain or lose by adopting certain strategies. Read the important article by Glenn Greenwald about how the talking points of the new FISA bill are completely ungrounded and are confusing the real issues: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/05/monarchy/index.html Call your Senators to get them to help with the filibuster; call your Representatives, too, because they're friends with your Senators! Do you find this valuable? |
