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2:01 | HarryWaisbren: Hi everyone, welcome to our latest Patriot Act and FISA reform organizing call!Tuesday October 27, 20092:01HarryWaisbren |
2:03 | HarryWaisbren: Mandy on scheduling: senate side we don't. Hosue side, next week at the earliest it looks like--next Weds Tuesday October 27, 20092:03HarryWaisbren |
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Tuesday October 27, 20092:03jon |
2:03 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: classified meeting this thruday, markup possibly but not confirmed next weds Tuesday October 27, 20092:03HarryWaisbren |
2:04 | HarryWaisbren: On the call: Marcy, Mark, Derek, Mandy, Soren, Jim, Jon, Harry Tuesday October 27, 20092:04HarryWaisbren |
2:05 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: priority in the house continues to be looking for co-sponsors for the bills. In particular, targeting the judiciary committee membersJon: marcy made good points in blog thead, now is a good time to think straegically in broader picture. Like role of Jane Harman Tuesday October 27, 20092:05HarryWaisbren |
2:06 | HarryWaisbren: Marcy: Harman is one of the poeple in teh hosue who can make or break a vote. Will probably be a leader on this when Obama admin comes in to prevent any real reform from happening. Becasue she is being primaried, I think we should try and reach out to Marcy Winograd about making a public statement to undercut.Marcy: Steny Hoyer will support whatever the administration wants. would be nice to prevent Harman from giving blue dogs cover. She apparently said some good thigns today at CAP. One of my co-workers said she was pretty supportive of refomr, but I don't really trust her Tuesday October 27, 20092:06HarryWaisbren |
2:07 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: she is a co-sponosr of 3845. Marcy: rememer that Pat lEahy was a sponsor in the senate. She won't be at Thrusday's hearing but has clearance to get htat kind f brirefing Marcy: presumably tey give the same presentation ot hte senate. one thing I'm going to try to get up tomorrow some time is asking where these contacts are. Haven't been charged. Been used to help detain Zazai. Marcy: people who are looking like aren't innocent but were used to argue for criminal intent in the court. That is exactly the problem that this set up is goign to elad to Tuesday October 27, 20092:07HarryWaisbren |
2:08 | HarryWaisbren: Mandy: we are working on co-sponsorhsip, have judiciary targets. Will ahve action alert for the whole house tomorrow.Mandy: based on lobby meetings, theya re starting to hear us, frm oru members and lists. Mandy: classified briefing we have been tryign to shore up people. Met with all judiciary members but 2. If you remember, when the senate was daling with markup, after classified briefing things started to fall apart. We are anxiou about htat Tuesday October 27, 20092:08HarryWaisbren |
2:09 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: I do think harman is a real pivotal figure. Convenietnly enoughf roma s ocial network perspective, boht her and Marcy Winograd are on twitter. We still don't have a huge number of people involved, one option is to focus our resources, or to try to go broad.Jon: not sure how to do that, ahrd to give precise enough isntructions to do that effectively Jon: anyone else on the short list that we should add? Tuesday October 27, 20092:09HarryWaisbren |
2:10 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: what about Tammy Baldwin? Mike Quigley? new and theys hould be no our side on this.Marcy: why? why wouldn't they want to make the administration ahppy. not Baldwin, but Quigley, and you might see some weird Rahm relationships. New members want Obama on their side. Jon: fair question. Tuesday October 27, 20092:10HarryWaisbren |
2:12 | HarryWaisbren: Mark: one thing that always bothers me about this, si there should be a bright line regardless of all the other votes and position trading. Should be a line at basic constitutioanl civil rights, 4th amendmetn stuff, that's beyond trading.Mark: that's the intent of the bill of rights int he first palce. That's why the original constiuttion had no bill of rihgts. It was put in to make sure it was beyond the reach of political horseplay. Mark: what the Bush administration did is that they broke through that bright line. In the name of natioanl security, Nixon's natioanl security was his enemeis list, but contemporaneously, that bright line has been destroyed. Mark: members of congress, as well as the administraiton dare I say, need to understand that that bright line is there for a purpose. At least the intent of our constitution you don't get to trade political favors about this issue. Tuesday October 27, 20092:12HarryWaisbren |
2:12 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: but alas, that's the reality Tuesday October 27, 20092:12HarryWaisbren |
2:13 | HarryWaisbren: Derrick: I just want to say real quick, those words, that's waht motivated the post that I put online on the blog. This issue is the whole point of why we call ourselves Americans. A republic. Teh consittution, the adjectives are just too minimizing. Derrick: if you say intrusion, or overstepping, they don't describe the infringement. Teh words are too small. Derrick: that's why I wanted to try and take it back to the constitution. Peple in the streets with tea party signs, they are getting mroe attention they deserve. Are drawing independnets away though. Tuesday October 27, 20092:13HarryWaisbren |
2:14 | HarryWaisbren: Derrick: if we can turn this issue into a 4th amendmetn issue, if we can take it back to teh consituttion, if we can elevate the debate, then we will begin to draw those people. People who don't knwo waht Fisa stands for. People who can't recall the language of the 4th amendmetn, they ahve an udnersatnding int eh back of their minds that the constitution is importnat, and the restrictions in place area important.Derrick: if we can make the conversation on taht level we can draw poeple. WE won't need ot search for people. Tehy will come to us Tuesday October 27, 20092:14HarryWaisbren |
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Tuesday October 27, 20092:14Soren |
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Tuesday October 27, 20092:15Soren |
2:15 | HarryWaisbren: Marcy: a key point. How are you goign to explain to epople, when they hear 4th amendment, they think about someone comign in the front door. dont' think of data mining we are data minded every day by banksMarcy: that's the fisrt qeustion. second is we ahve been makign that argumetn for a long time. I udnersatnd what you are saying, but i'm not convined it's a strong enough message ot get people to join us Tuesday October 27, 20092:15HarryWaisbren |
2:15 | HarryWaisbren: Shoot---if it wasn't Soren, was it Derek speaking before? Tuesday October 27, 20092:15HarryWaisbren |
2:16 | HarryWaisbren: Derrick: if we start people on a debate about data mining, it's over. Doesn't reach pepel. Why I think we need to go back. There's an overlay on this debate. Thigns have changed. What we did before we can't do now.Derrick: I reject htat. Communication in a letter 200 years ago should be the same as today. Still a letter. Tuesday October 27, 20092:16HarryWaisbren |
2:17 | HarryWaisbren: Jo: how do we get people to believe it? Tuesday October 27, 20092:17HarryWaisbren |
2:18 | HarryWaisbren: Jim: think about senak and peak. It allwos poeple to walk into your house. People know about warrants. Teh notion that this is a lwa that says they can sneak in, poke around, sneak out, and never have to tell you, is something that peple can understand where data mining would lose them.Jim: sneak and peak isn't the only one. Lots that is really bad, people will udnestand. If we make it about data mining, eys, it loses, but it doesn't have to be about that Mark: I agree Marcy: to play devil's advocate though. Sneak and peak was one of hte two things that Leahy and Difi were willing to negotiate on. What is in the senate bill now matches what' sin the hosue bill, presuambly will go forward Marcy: as of now, 7 day window, after which you can talk about sneak and peak. unless you start making larger arugments, will ahve some concessions, but still fundamentally the invasion of privacy Tuesday October 27, 20092:18HarryWaisbren |
2:19 | HarryWaisbren: Jim: I think in fact we have to go after it incrementall. Unless there are big things in the news that catcehs eveyrone' sattention, makes the populace as a whole realize the 4th amendmetn is in trouble, wont' work on braod storke. have to work at details.Jim: each one of them, one at a time. At some point, have to face the intesection of data inign and attempting ot do tappign of emails and so forth. But there is some serious technological details that will bore the crap out of the people on this call , muh less the others Tuesday October 27, 20092:19HarryWaisbren |
2:20 | HarryWaisbren: Korkie: sorry to be late, I'm hereHi Korkie! Tuesday October 27, 20092:20HarryWaisbren |
2:20 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: what aobut natioanl security letters?Jim: I would say so. Wonderful vidoe of judge napolitano going on for a half hour about natioanl secuirty letters. speaks really well to libertarians/conservativs. Jim: if handled correclty, NSLs are a great place to start Tuesday October 27, 20092:20HarryWaisbren |
2:23 | HarryWaisbren: Mark: we need some help here. We need some advocacy in media, wether it's olbermann or maddow, or wolf blitzer, we need to get somebody's attention to be able to put this out to a broad audience.Mark: as a second unrelated, on the difi issue, I believe I have figured out waht the story is there. It's an entirely separate subject, I believe she was so traumatized persoanlly by Harvey Milk episode that she gave up ont eh consitutiton Mark: i believe myself personally that that's why she got the chairmanship from Rockefeller, whoever hte operatives were there, put her in there. I think you all know, her and Kyl have co-sponsored a constituitonal amendment for hte last ten years which substitutes a bill for an unconsituttioanl bill taht they put in 10 years ago to absolutely scrap the constiutiaonl right of anyone accused of, not convicted, or even indicted for, a violent crime Mark: she put that bill in 10 eyars ago, it was so bad and so embarrassing, that it got expunged from the senate record. Thereafter, each congress, including the current one, they have put in concurrent resolution for a constiutitoanl amendmetn to do what their bill would do which is totally scrap people's rihts Tuesday October 27, 20092:23HarryWaisbren |
2:23 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: moderators hat on, yes, but let's not focus on that for this callJon: Marcy, how do you feel about NSL focus? Marcy: (cut out) Jon: ah the joys of telecommunciations Tuesday October 27, 20092:23HarryWaisbren |
2:25 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: Mark made a good point about focus on media attnetion. How do we get around the general lack of coverage? Good LAT and NYT coverage.Mandy: not really anyoen receptive. Have healthcare to fight through. Talking about someothing so basi cwith health care, hard to convince people to care about 4ht amendmetn rights Jon: when people are dying, it takes priority Mandy: I find a lot of peple, like many of our issues, harder to write a hook. they don't want to write that there is a lot of advocacy, or that it will be renewed without debate Mandy: what we need is a horrible OIG report to come out in the next month, but it probably won't happen Tuesday October 27, 20092:25HarryWaisbren |
2:26 | HarryWaisbren: Derek: there is a thread in the american public that is sensitive to govenrment intrusion. I know 4th amendmetn is dry and hard, but across the political specturm--left or right---core thread that if you can tap it, it wakes poeple upDerek: uh-oh, gov is doing something they can't Jon: agreed, sneak and peak tapped into that. Looking at who is talkign aboutw aht on twiter, peopel are talking about it, thinking about gov in their bed rooms Tuesday October 27, 20092:26HarryWaisbren |
2:27 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: Mandy, it's a great point about needing a news hook here. Is something that marcy has talked about, if we can figure out what htey're hiding and come up with revelation, that's a possibilityJon: investigative journalistm woudl be key. most of us mere mortals cna't help wtih that Jon: one thing we have been wrestling with is there a way to build on past success of GFR. Put it into context of bloggers flexing muscles, helping with health care, now this the alliance that has had success. If we start to get momentum I can see it becoming a story. Jon: our challenge has been how to get enough momentum to make it a story Tuesday October 27, 20092:27HarryWaisbren |
2:28 | HarryWaisbren: Amy in Philadelphia: I am very invovled in activsm and have PR background. Get it in news to make it personal. Develop stories about individuals whose privacy has been violated, with documented evidence, and tell those storiesAmy: you tell it locally, build on it until it becmoes a natioanl story Amy: your communciaiton with members, the horror storeis to share, those bring home the point Jon: that's a great point Tuesday October 27, 20092:28HarryWaisbren |
2:29 | HarryWaisbren: Mandy: one more quick point about makign it a story. If we can get HJC in current form, will make legislative showdown. That's going to begin to get the DC journlasits to do the he said she said kind of thing. But that's down the roadJon: on the right call, we talked about how medai loves dem vs dem story. Jon: let's go back to teh idea of individual stories, that's a really important idea Tuesday October 27, 20092:29HarryWaisbren |
2:30 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: step one is soliciting the story. Is this something the ACLU has treid?Mandy: the passage of patriot predates me, but I ahve been here a while. We have rquests to find people who have been persoanlly effected, and we have some of those storeis, but they're not as easy to find as we would like Jim: the whole gag order aspect of htese things Mandy: yeah can't tell you who they are Amy: remember on FISA, a couple decided...(phone cutting out)...two weeks ago if I remember correclty...descended on them...idea that they were dealing iwth terrorists. Jon: I don't remember htat story, but that's a good example Tuesday October 27, 20092:30HarryWaisbren |
2:31 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: one possiblity is redoubling efforts on this. In particular, it could be a place where reaching out, where person to eprson connection on social networks could be useful.Jon: find people outside of the ACLU's pool. My guess is ACLU is the largest and most successful org doing this so far, might be able to supplmeent that Mark: Mandy, if you ahve a counterpart at american lirary association, they might not go on the record but i et they could gevie you a list of personal stories Mandy: yeah, we work with George Christen before. Not srue if we found him persoanlly or through ALA, but that's a good idea Tuesday October 27, 20092:31HarryWaisbren |
2:33 | HarryWaisbren: Derrick: libraries ar ea great idea, one thing they also do is that they hold events. If they do, can bring addtional people, can put contact informaiton at hte events, and we can have them come to this very same website. Derrick: lbraries would be a grea way to communciate off line Jon: tying in, Bill of rights defence commission is doing a local ordinance program similar to 2001 or 2002 to sign local ordinances. Anotehr good place to look at this Mandy: another great way to move members. Having anit-patriot poeple int ehir distircts is a big deal Jon: is OFA a good plae to reach out and try to get stories? Are communications in place there that would make it a good place? Tuesday October 27, 20092:33HarryWaisbren |
2:34 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: OFA , FISA bill is one they want to buy into (cutting out again, might be my phone)Jon: in other words, we can't do it without real support from them Amy: ...let people know about facebook. Any time palyng mafia wars or any dippy game, their privacy is being invaded. Rubes on FB don't know. Amy: ACLU members may be your best source of infomraiton, they are attuned to this. Tuesday October 27, 20092:34HarryWaisbren |
2:37 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: ACLU is working ont his sisue, and we talk with people from ACLUJon: it's a great point, ACLU has been doign a lot of work on FB. As well as ACLU members, I"m also interested in AcLU members' friends. That's the gorup you can tap more easily on social networks than direct member outreach. Mandy: we can talk more to online poeple about doing more FB outreach. I'd like to twitter htemakrup again, but that's a ways away. Mandy: find more creative ways to get peole engaged on FB. Solicit lists of stories Jon: i'll talk to EFF also. Tehy might also be able to reach a complementary netwrok Jon: Ok, excellent. Moving on, next item was the open letter from Get FISA Right. This is a role the dice, try to get enough momentum so it leads to coverage, who knows, but it's worht a try. Jon: we ahve a draft up there, I ahve done a lot of work on it, but it's ok. It's interesting coparing and contrasting to last year's. Last year's was much more assioniate, i'm not great at injecting passion itno it. Last year crisper call to aciton, this year, right now, it's to the Obama admin "support htese house amendment,s be more tranpsarent, and arguably stop hiding behind republicans". Jon: it's not crisp. have had problems coming up with through teh obama admin of waha'ts the cirsp call Jon: subtext, si that we're not optimistic we can cahnge opinions there. There is a chance that if it catches fire in media. Last year, it was on bogosophere before mainstream medai. Got hot enough where they covered it. That's waht we want to replicate. Jon: thoughts about that approach in general? the right timing on it? Key elements to be hitting in it? Tuesday October 27, 20092:37HarryWaisbren |
2:39 | HarryWaisbren: Derrick: if you saw the comment I put on the open letter, we need to find the "ask"Derrick: if we can, some how, work with the admin and get hte president to use the state of the union address enxt january, that's the biggest platfomr that we'd have to have someone talk about this issue Derrick: he isn't going to get up there and say "HR..." he needs somethign larger htan that. Derrick: if there is any kind of wayt hat we can communciate to the admin, that the state of the union has to be the platform where if we want someothnig to take palce next year it needs to be annoucned there Tuesday October 27, 20092:39HarryWaisbren |
2:39 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: I thoguht it's a reall good point that we have to be thinking about the logner temr, not jsut htis battle. That said, maybe the open letter is not a useful technique for htis short temr battle.Tuesday October 27, 20092:39HarryWaisbren |
2:40 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: I don't know how many members you got, but in this gorup that I ahve called thorugh to, but tha'ts your first tier. In the open letter that you send, if that's what your'e thinking, ask them, the ask is talk to yourneighbors, talk to yoru friends, how has this chagned or effectd their lives.Amy: some won't care. Some might tell you their stories. That's wher eyou start, and it builds across the country Mark: catch 22. People most effected by this don't even tknow they are effected. Big deal is being done in secrecy. Dont' know about sneeak and peak, or if a helicopter is flying around your house, as Justice ginsburg went on and on about. Intrusion with infrared dectors could be going on 24/7. Tuesday October 27, 20092:40HarryWaisbren |
2:41 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: I was hit 546 times, my firewall went down, when i sent out word about a new executive order that violated rights. I got smacked by people in virginai and texas, and i have two firewalls. Tuesday October 27, 20092:41HarryWaisbren |
2:42 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: back to earlier quesiton, first of all, we are talking about a different open letter. We are tlaking about one to Obama.Jon: last summer, when we had about 8,000 members and were growing raidly, we wrote him a letter and he resopnded in huffington post. From Get FISA Right's persepctive, that's our organizational claim at legitimacy. Jon: comlemtnary to yoru point aobut getting in touchw ith members and sharing expeirences, I totally agree with that. Tuesday October 27, 20092:42HarryWaisbren |
2:42 | HarryWaisbren: Mandy: timing for the ltter, one thing that woudl be better for state of hte union woudl be rumors they are getting rid of jeff criag and getting Bower. Craig, famously was an idiot when Obama flip flopped on FISA. Could be a good reason to go after, and Bower is pretty smart. Tuesday October 27, 20092:42HarryWaisbren |
2:45 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: in the primary seaosn, it was remarkable to me that HIllary missed hte primary vote. What was the owrd you got back why he missed it?Jon: he voted to strip immunity, but he then did not vote back on the final bill in feb. Jim: his reaosning was that there were important and vlauable improvmeent in the law, in the FAA, that the passage of which outweighed hi sobjectiion to the immunity. Jim: and so he voted for these important measures in the FAA Jon: that was in the July vote, and what he describe din Huff Po response to us Jon: intersting ot go back and read that, to look at his commitments. Basically, the way he describd why he was voting for it, he also committed attonrey general to...an talked about his itnent to run a white hosue that takes the constiution seriously, conducts the people's business out in the open Jon: when we think about reengaging him, harry did a nice post oour blog about how the organizng on our blog and such is descirbed as a watershed moment. As we look back at how Obama is now cutting deals iwth Jeff Sessions, that seems to fly in the face of this. Tuesday October 27, 20092:45HarryWaisbren |
2:46 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: on that particular issue, si that something we can focus on short term. Maybe it's jsut not realistic to think that that's somethign that could trying to infleucen the markup next week, but it's wroht thinking aboutAmy: who in jduciiary really ahs your ear, becasue i've een out of the loop? Jon: on SJC, Feingold, Drubin, Sepcter. In house it seems more positiv,e Coneyrs/Nadler/Scott co-sponsored. Amy: that's a start. Being in Pennsylvania right now, thus far in the senatorial campaign, I am discovering that MR. Specter will say anythign to garner himself votes Tuesday October 27, 20092:46HarryWaisbren |
2:47 | HarryWaisbren: Jim: he deos seem to be leaning towards civil liberties on a number of times when he's speaking about things. That seems to be a way he thinks he cna gain some traciton, from the poele who used to support him as a republican and people who might support hm as a democrat. Pool them by going that way.Jon: this is part of what mkaes Jane Harman so attractive as well. As Marcy pointed out, she's facing a primary challenger Jim: her oppostion makes a good target, if we can find a way to reach her and convince her to focus on civil libertis Tuesday October 27, 20092:47HarryWaisbren |
2:48 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: doesn't her husband make a lot in defense? Dianne Feinstein's husband for sure does Jon: you might be right though, she has storng ties to defense industyr Mandy: I have to get off, but will be using facebook trying to get poeple talking. Bye Mandy! Tuesday October 27, 20092:48HarryWaisbren |
2:48 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: one other topic that came up last time that Harry borught up that relates tothe media issue, is the poeple who are likely to be supportive. Teh maddows etc on twitter.Jon: Jim Cook pointed out that a mixed twitter/email campaing. Probably have neough people that we could be heard there. Jon: still chalelnge though of what's the story? Tuesday October 27, 20092:48HarryWaisbren |
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Tuesday October 27, 20092:49Soren |
2:50 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: going at it from two ends. I'm new to yoru efforts, but first htought is persoanl stories first. This is hwo it effected me. Brings it homeAmy: ,,.....other channels, where these issues can be raised int eh blogoshpere. Probably best place to get the most conscientious and sensitive ear, but without the back story or personal stoires, won't get major ink or air. Tuesday October 27, 20092:50HarryWaisbren |
2:52 | HarryWaisbren: Marcy: one other potn agoing back to twitter. Julian has done some great stuff on twitter, so has to go back to that. MSNBC doesn't like me much, producers have hated me for three years.Jon: Julian is being a star here, that's good feedback. Jon: Amy, wha'ts intersting, and perhaps we are being hostage ot our expeirnece, but last year we managed to turn our story about hte actiivst story. the ordinary obama supporter inspired by yes we can, but is now going after him. poeple quoted in NYT, I wound up on CNN, non-obvious way of making stories personal. Jon: to chagne opinion we need personal stories as well Amy: here's how to do it, a suggestion. today, Bob Herbert of NYT worte op ed piece that keys into how to bring it home. Yes we can stuff, how we can make a difference. REad it today. Jim: the one entiteld "changing the world?" Tuesday October 27, 20092:52HarryWaisbren |
2:52 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: "American sneed to shake off their passivity..."Amy: read the last passage, becasue ti brings it home what you are trying to communciate Jon: "can start wiht samll steps...That's hwo you chagne the world" Tuesday October 27, 20092:52HarryWaisbren |
2:56 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: ties into Obama's response to us, also talked about runnign a whitehouse that asks us how to play a part in sahping out country's destiny. And we are trying to do that.Jon: tying into that makes a huge amount of sense. Amy: to bring it home, to make it persoanl Jon: we are exemplars of this essetnially Jim: have we contacted to campaign for liberty? Jon: indirect connections, Jim Babka runs liertarian organiaiton, Julian's at CATO Jim: I'm still thinking aobut trying to engage the medai, what can be done through twitter etc. Jim: Napolitano is on twitte,r he oesn't follow many people but he follows campaign for liberty. Libertarians I know are fired up, also follow campaign for liberty. Domino theory. Napolitano is also on Fox News, want this not just on left wing news but also no the right. Amy: family who tried to pay credit cards bills early that got nailed by FBI. No left leaning thing. Get out of my home, get out of my life, is not left right thing. Jo: yeah, I agree Jon: we have come up with three directiosn to 1. soliciting personal storeis I think we can complement outreach ACLU has done there 2. Amy's oint about the Bob Herbert narrative, being the change. 3. this is just a great idea about Judd Napolitano and campaign for liberty. Maye they easiest thing to do is to start tweeting at them? get poeple to retweet that we want to coordinate efforts here? Tuesday October 27, 20092:56HarryWaisbren |
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Tuesday October 27, 20092:57Jim Burrows |
2:57 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: we don't want to be third rails here. They ahve a lot of truthers. Have veyr strange agendas, so let's be careful about that.Jon: fair enough. Jon: coordinate is too strong a word. Align perhaps? Jon: but you konw, the most successful civil liberties coalition i was involved in was against hte real id act, and some poeple invovled were biblical literalists due to the mark of the beast. we were able to coordinate effectively ,and they made a difference. Jon: as long as we can maintain a separate idenity. Mark: still ahve thhone numers? Jim: that's real intersting Jon: i'm not sure hwere they are on this at that point. Good idea Tuesday October 27, 20092:57HarryWaisbren |
2:59 | HarryWaisbren: Jo: I've finally foudn it and will paly with it. Jon: that'd be grea,t it links off the the blog thread including an alternate lette form Derek. Jon: what i'm hearing in general is that there is no compellign argumetn for launchign onw. We need more work to get it right. And tying it to something like Bob Bower comign in or the state of the unio addrss, that makes a lot of sense. Doesn't make sense to launch it in the heat of hte health care debate. Jon: only reason to launch now is if we think we can affect markup. Doesn't seme like a great tradeoff for me. Jon: also didn't hear optimistm about targetting succesful, with possible excepiton of Jane Harman. Focus initial efforts on her? Jon: Marcy, I hear what you're saying about Baldwin and Quigley, but I think it's worht trying anyhow. See if we can stiffen their resolve. Marcy: we need eveyrone on HJC, if we lose FISA, then we'll lose the thing we did in SJC. Have a center base to work off of, and I metnioend before that we should be focisngf on Schiff or Schultz, becasue they are likely to lead oppposition to Conyers bill. Amy: absolutely Tuesday October 27, 20092:59HarryWaisbren |
3:01 | HarryWaisbren: Marcy: I put up a call yesterday and will do it tomorrow. Am targetting everyone btw now and next thursday, really think we need ot hit Schiff and Shultz. Here we got the leaders, like I said before, also get Berman on board because he has been good in the past.Marcy; other thing thinking about in regards ot HJC, lots represetns lots of Arab districts. conyers especially. Dont know if we can put this together in the next week, but at HJC level it might be useful to reach otu to Arab American and Muslim amercain gorups. Tehya re the ones being priamrily targeted, their members are in HJC. Jon: great point. 3 Arab groups co-sponsors of letter. Jon: Marcy, do you know Chip from Bil lof Rights Defense Committee? Jon: will send mail hooking oyu up. Have odne a lot of work in those community Marcy: other person on that list is ellison. he has beena amjor supporter of rights for Muslim Americans Tuesday October 27, 20093:01HarryWaisbren |
3:04 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: somethign on FB to target Shiff and Wasserman-Schultz, hopefully something on teh profile wehre they can respond, could you include a link if we get something up?Marcy: i'd need to get it obviously in my email Jon: if we can get it ot you by late tonight? Marcy: that shoudl work. Marcy: my focus tomorrow is on everybody, want everybody to walk into the briefing on thursday asking certain kinds of questions. btw thruday and next weds when htey makr this up is when I thinkw e start hitting waserman aschlutz ad schiff. Jon: makes sense. I just don't know any way to do the everybody stuff effecitvley on scoail networks. You got hte table iwth everyone' number, coudl expand it to include links to proifles, but that seems too confusing. Marcy: Wexler on twitter? Jon: might be on FB Marcy: he is really close to obama admin, but nevertheles might be worht targeting Mark: isn't he retiring? marcy: yeah Jon: he's on FB but not twitter apparently marcy; hit wexler then, can't hurt. He likes to wrok these angles Jon: ok Tuesday October 27, 20093:04HarryWaisbren |
3:04 | HarryWaisbren: Jim: (just attacked by his cat---hope your'e ok!!): he has a fellow he'd like to see replace him who claims to be interestd in same issues. Might want to look at his potential succssor.Jon: great suggestion Tuesday October 27, 20093:04HarryWaisbren |
3:06 | HarryWaisbren: Mark: one last thing. I think you all know that I treid this a motnh ago and got no where, but for the life of me I can't find out why the NRA isn't severey exercised by this. Somebody should put the whole paranoid bug in their ear about hwo the federal gov through all this comes down and wants to know who owns guns etc. etc.Julian ahd been folowing that up Tuesday October 27, 20093:06HarryWaisbren |
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3:08 | HarryWaisbren: I discuss the utility of primaries as seen by Specter's flip flops. Macy Winograd will become more important, but don't want to alientate Harman if we comes on the right side.Marcy: when you metnioned sestak, I can talk to Bowers about that. Jon: that's a great point. Amy: i'm working iwth Sestak Marcy; he's not HJC, but speaking otu to house as a whole Jon: something I got form both ACLU and EFF is if we can get non-judiciary co-sposnors that's useful. Not as good as jucidiary but still sueful, would show, but Chris Bowers has a really good narrative about how progressives are getting engaged and using netroots strenght. Getting anyobdy to step forward who is being pressured by us adds fuel and gives evidnece. Amy: i'm not workign for Sestak, but he's my congressment. Speak with them very often. Also epak with Sepcter's people. I'm very involve din progerssive issues around the state. Tehy call me Tuesday October 27, 20093:08HarryWaisbren |
3:08 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: what do you want me to propose to them?Jon: I think teh ask is to sign on as cosponsors. Last year at netroots nation he talked about being uncomforable about NSLs. On FISA, if memory serves, he's unliekly to sign on as a co-sponsor. Can focus on Patriot Act reauthorization though. Tuesday October 27, 20093:08HarryWaisbren |
3:09 | HarryWaisbren: Amy: I can start coming up with something that will push him in that direction. I saw him last friday night at a fundraiser, asked why they weren't making hay about Specter's missed ovte. Tehy said "oh my God you're right".Amy: sometimes consitutents..(phone cuts out) Tuesday October 27, 20093:09HarryWaisbren |
3:11 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: I think tha'ts also a very promising area to follow up on. With luck, I am going ot beo n the privacy coalition phone call this frdiay. Runs monthly phoen calls, asked for 15 mintues or so to tlak about socail entwork activism for patiort act. want to convine them to get inovled in social networks.JOn: I think my report back to them, from GFR perspective, we are going to try to target a few key peopel for house judiciary hearings, but don't have resources form GFR to go braodly year Jon: refining techniques, lookign at key points, and as discussion conitneus will bei nfluential Jon: tryign to get into HJC makrup, but preparing for it to go back to the senate. Tuesday October 27, 20093:11HarryWaisbren |
3:11 | HarryWaisbren: Jon: we'll get notes out. Does it make sense to talk next week? Woudl amke sense to have it Monday rather than Tuesday. I'll send out doodle poll, will be later so others can make itGreat call everyone! Tuesday October 27, 20093:11HarryWaisbren |
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3:13 | HarryWaisbren: Sorry about that Derrick! Will switch it up :) Tuesday October 27, 20093:13HarryWaisbren |
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