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4:36
Welcome to the meeting and online chat everyone!
4:52

[Comment From Mark Dorlester]
Hello!
4:52
HarryWaisbren:
Hey there Mark
4:56
HarryWaisbren:
Any final comments on the goals or agenda pre-call?
4:59
HarryWaisbren:
Mark on upcoming legislative update, spent a while today searching: HJC staffer told him best source they have is Fox News. Bottom line is no one knows what is going on. Reid has not released new incarnation of the bill.
5:00
HarryWaisbren:
Korkie, Mark, Harry on the call. Korkie has a cough so may be taking part exclusively in the chat.

Connie, James fromDownsizedc.org
5:02
HarryWaisbren:
Sally, Dave from BORDC joining us now.
5:03
HarryWaisbren:
Connie: haven't done this before, not real internet savvy, should I be at a certain locatin on the website?

Harry: meeting page open?

Connie: something live, seems blocked.
5:04
HarryWaisbren:
Explaining how to use the chat, Mark relaying the meeting page link.
5:04

[Comment From Soren]
I have joined the call
5:05
HarryWaisbren:
Hi Soren!
5:06

[Comment From jon]
hi all ...
5:06

[Comment From Guest]
so, it's not even dark and probably not snowing on the west coast
5:06

jon:
i'm going to join the call in just a few minutes
5:06

Guest:
hi Jon
5:06

jon:
won't have chat access for a while sorry
5:06
HarryWaisbren:
Hey Jon
5:06

Guest:
I'm on mute ..... still have a nasty cough....
5:07
HarryWaisbren:
Ah, is "guest" korkie
5:07

korkie:
yeah, why am I just a guest?
5:07
HarryWaisbren:
emailed meeting page to Sally
5:07

korkie:
never mind ...
5:08

Mark Dorlester:
Korkie-in the
5:08
HarryWaisbren:
Bob Jacobson and Jon Pincus just joined as well.
5:08

[Comment From Bob Jacobson]
Early member. Happy to be here.
5:09

korkie:
hi bob
5:09

Bob Jacobson:
Hi, Korkie.
5:09
HarryWaisbren:
Mark giving his update

Mark: spent time on phone with hill staffers. Bottom line, ended up with someone on SJC committee, asking for status on Patriot Act. Reported Reid included it in now revised revised jobs bill.
5:10

Bob Jacobson:
Who snuck in the FISA provisions?
5:10
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: bottom line, nobody has any authoritative information. All kinds of speculation. 2. Most authorative source that the guy I ended up talking with says he had is a Fox News page on the internet that reported hte one year extension.

Mark: until we get some releaes from Reid, can see legislative language, really are flying blind.
5:11
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: assume one year extension of current law is what is going to be enacted. Have to do something, otherwise sunsets.
5:11

[Comment From Dave Mitchell]
Is there any chance everyone not talking could mute their phones. It keeps sounding like someone skateboarding through a tunnel
5:11

Bob Jacobson:
Defend the filibuster!
5:11
HarryWaisbren:
Seems like that was fixed, Dave.

Jon: caught something from Shahid, in huffington post piece talked about 1 year extenson, but as far as he knew wasn't in latest craft of jobs bill, doesn't know what's up.
5:12
HarryWaisbren:
Sally: don't want this thing extended, period the end.
5:12

korkie:
could it be possible they are purposely trying to let it expire ... maybe?
5:12

[Comment From Sally]
Let it happen!
5:12

Dave Mitchell:
Defend the filibuster? Honestly?
5:12

Bob Jacobson:
Just for this one vote.
5:12
HarryWaisbren:
James: dont' think anyone knows until congress gets back from recess, Monday.
5:13

Bob Jacobson:
Would the Senate bill go to the House? Conference?
5:13

Sally:
Don"t think the filibuster can help; do we even have enough votes?
5:13
HarryWaisbren:
James: anger about the jobs bill.

Mark: that is an understatement.

Sally: do they think they can get a jobs bill passed by 28th at this late date?

Mark: don't ahve to pass one by the 28th
5:13

Dave Mitchell:
The unspoken idea being filibuster the jobs bill"?
5:14
HarryWaisbren:
Lisa joining the call, hi Lisa!
5:15
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: if taking action on patriot act, ahve to by 28th

Sally: another reason where Reid wouldn't attach it to jobs bill, wouldn't pass soon enough anyways.

Mark: makes sense to me, however, apparently have attached it to the jobs bill. Sources saying don't have it in legislative langugae, issued from leaders office, or on calendar. Common inside wisdom is it has been put on the jobs bill.
5:15

[Comment From Bob Jacobson]
Jobs is definitely a question given the Republicans' absolute "no" position on most big bills.
5:15
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: Reid could take it off, pass it separately, or attach to something else. what I get is leadership decision has been made, they don't want to discuss it, they don't want to debate it, not going to separate it.
5:16
HarryWaisbren:
Sally: don't come up wtih something they can attach it to, don't want to talk about it, don't want to bring it to floor on its own. Wouldn't that be one way of killing it? Could it be intentional?
5:17

Bob Jacobson:
Would Dodd pull a kamikaze to try and kill an attachment given his decision not to run again?
5:17

Sally:
Harry, you are giving me credit for someone else's comments.
5:17
HarryWaisbren:
oh no! Sorry, lot of new voices
5:18

Sally:
A great legacy for Dodd. Harry, I don't mind. just don't want to overstep.
5:18

Bob Jacobson:
Sell the country out to the Communist world conspiracy ... and the labor unions.
5:19
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: I think people loathe the patriot act, don't want to be seen publicly saying how wonderful it is. Progressive dems don't like it, lot of fear of dems of alienating hte base.
5:20
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: in a jam, don't want to look weak on securtiy. Don't want to speak for it to alienate base, do something behind scenes to make it go away.
5:20

Sally:
Stuck between public/progressive dislike & wanting to keep the power.
5:21
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: house has passed fairly decent changes in patriot act law. Senate was in a wrangle btw Dianne Feinstein primarily and the rest of the judiciary committee. Committee voted out bill much less progressive version.
5:22
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: set to be resolved before end of year, with two month extension, then bomb underwear bomber. Not progrssives they are worrying about alienating, don't care about them. Don't want discussion of substance of what is wrong with patriot act inf ront of mass of angry voters and being cast in terms of "dems don't care about national securtiy".
5:22

[Comment From Guest]
my progressive feelings are hurt ........
5:23
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: year extension maybe lets it cool down, current law continues, not so great, but can take it up after the election/early in next congress.
5:24
HarryWaisbren:
Connie: didn't this happen 2 years ago in Februrary, same thing?
5:24

Sally:
But the underwear bomber flew in from another country; how would PA be involved other than from PR standpoint?
5:26
HarryWaisbren:
What can we do for short term?

Mark: my read is there is nothing we can do. Taken into leadership's hands.
5:26
HarryWaisbren:
Comment: worry about a year from now, extend only one year
5:27

Sally:
So let's spend the week working onchange.orgidea.
5:27

Bob Jacobson:
Where's the Tea Party (or Parties) on privacy rights?
5:28

Bob Jacobson:
Are they sufficiently libertarian or are they unreliable.
5:29
HarryWaisbren:
Jon onchange.org:deadline from fax is the 18th

Sally: email I got said 25th.

Jon: things we did best last year that made the most impact, did a guest blog post somehwere onchange.org, hit FB group as well as email group quite a lot. Btw various groups, have more than 2,3000 people.
5:30
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: shooting for 1,000 is probably reasonable thing to do. by whatever mechanism, spread.
5:30
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: may have to coach peple into signing up tochange.org, last year was real pain to people. Friends say they will do it, but need to check back, ask if they need help.
5:31
HarryWaisbren:
Connie: if you place in top 5 of that, what do we win?

Jon: two stage process. 1st, you get to finals. Buys you a little attention, not much. top 10 in finals get publicity, have press event. Get follow on support from them. Last year didn't do a great job, got email from Ben Rattray who ran it, sent to last year's winners syaing they didn't do as good a job out of the box supporting the winners, what can they do more effective?
5:32
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: reason I think it's potentially useful is it's not just for winning, but within the competition, last year got 1,300, that's a chunk. Lot of visibility.

Jon: didn't succeed at leveraging them becaue teh stuff we were trying to do didn't take off. Some kind of activism timed, during or right after the competittion, reachign all these people stillf ersh with it, interesting launching point.
5:32
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: can also askdemocrats.comto endorse us, do a blog post, include us in the mailings.

Jon: BORDC said depending on the timing they coudl include us in a mailing
5:34
HarryWaisbren:
Use widgets, get up on wetpaint
5:34

korkie:
I have
5:35
HarryWaisbren:
Voted for idea yet? Can sign on here:http://www.change.org/ideas/view/take_back_our_rights_repeal_the_patriot_act
5:35

Sally:
Widget:
5:36

Sally:
I'll try E-mailing the widget code.
5:37

jon:
hi all ... made it to a computer
5:38
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: is a socia lnewrok site, can friend people on it, can invite to calls as well
5:38

korkie:
harry, my computer is misbehaving. please send the last 2 links to my email .....
5:38
HarryWaisbren:
Sure korkie!

Connie: public awareness aspect important. Teaming up with Ron Paul's org? Ones with this in common, regardless of ideology.
5:39
HarryWaisbren:
Sally: putting comments on other posts also useful
5:40
HarryWaisbren:
Connie: education, aside from in depth constitutional study issue, see examples like underpants/christmas bomber being used, really mkaes my blood boil. Obama himself came out, said they had info, didn't put it together right. Same old problems, really ones that existed before DHS was created.
5:42

jon:
bob, returning to your earlier question: there's a split in the Tea Party flk on this isue
5:42
HarryWaisbren:
--comments: lot of examples out there like that. educate the public about why those are not good examples of why patriot act should be renewed.

---people use too much data argument when it's not in your favor, I don't buy it. have numbers to dispute that. Education I'm thinking of too.
5:42

jon:
some are on our side; others are more on the neocon front
5:43

jon:
harry: need to lay it out that these spying policies aren't working *and* they're taking away our liberties
5:44

jon:
harry: longer-term strategy is to engage liberatarians, tea party movement, civil-liberties-loving conservatives
5:45
HarryWaisbren:
---broach issues, identify groups going to be approachable. Not need so much education. Find way to support eachotehr.
5:46

Sally:
Did anyone else see the article about the 4-yr.-old forced to take off leg braces by TSA agent in Philly airport?
5:46
HarryWaisbren:
downsizedc.orghas been campaigning on these issues for 5-6
5:48
HarryWaisbren:
practically, how do we do this engagement?

James asks about ACLU involvement

Jon: yes, have to treat us gingerly, not a non-partisan group.
5:48

Bob Jacobson:
How about CDT and similar activist organizations?
5:49

Bob Jacobson:
I can try in AZ, although our senators aren't totally responsive (Kyl and McCain). McCain faces a strong Tea Party challenger.
5:49
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: reaching out to more state supportesr of ACLU. More likely to be willing to wrok with us as a natioanl oragnization

ahh, my phone is cutting out
5:50
HarryWaisbren:
Making event a reality?
5:51

Bob Jacobson:
Personal Privacy Day.
5:51

Sally:
Bob, I like that.
5:51

Bob Jacobson:
Everyone's for it.
5:52
HarryWaisbren:
everyone is certainly for privacy. Key is making lack of privacy resonate for poeple---they don't see gov spying on them, so don't think it's an issue. Why we have been searchign for personal stories.
5:54

Bob Jacobson:
Every American overseas is surveilled, too.
5:54
HarryWaisbren:
correct, including our soldiers (military officers had private, explicit phone calls tapped to their loved ones and shared/mocked around hte office)
5:54

Bob Jacobson:
Business people should get it that information copped can be shared with competitors. Businesses are freaked about industrial espionage, more dangerous by far than terrorism.
5:55

Sally:
I mentioned IP address to my High School niece; she was unconcerned about who collected it until I mentioned an article about someone getting an E-mail from an unknown company that knew his/her computer model number. Her eyes opened wide! Not happy!
5:55
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: BORDC one of our closest allies. Discussing local ordinances, what else we can do for them.
5:55

Bob Jacobson:
If we had one whisteblower who could divulge a theft of corporate information and its sharing with a competitor, it would provoke a firestorm.
5:55
HarryWaisbren:
Is Dave from BORDC still on the call/in the chat?
5:56

Dave Mitchell:
yep, just waiting to chime in
5:57

Bob Jacobson:
If the extension is voted for, is there any further action to be taken on that account?
5:57
HarryWaisbren:
Dave: i'm here to answer question, help bring up to speed on the kind of stuff we have been engaged with.

Dave: Shahid hopeful they wouldn't slip it in, looks like they have. Actiism has been over the mock, released model legislation, with networks we have warmed up from previous contacts we have made a "best practices" model legislation adn talking points. In the middle of circulating ot local civil right groups.
5:58

Mark Dorlester:
Dave-pls provide link to BORDC model legislation
5:58
HarryWaisbren:
Dave: idea is it's a resource for everybody, their connections with local legislators are going to be a lot more robust than ours. Let grassroots people do their thing.
5:59

jon:
was thatdavemitchell@riseup.net?
5:59
HarryWaisbren:
Talat: when do you expect to mail out?

Dave: on our website. If not on email that has been spread around, can emaildavemitchell@riseup.net. Be happy to get you the legislation and talking points. Use as much as you want, can get it to you as soon as I hang up.
5:59

Bob Jacobson:
Can legislation be posted to FISA FB page?
6:00
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: BORDC so well positioned to reach out across the spectrum. As these things get billing, we can be a big asset in online social network aspect to it

Dave: trying to grow that, launcehd a campaign slowly getting more and more hits.
6:01

Bob Jacobson:
California already has a strong constitutional privacy right that can be used to undergird local legislation.
6:01
HarryWaisbren:
Dave: don't know waht got me into defending civil rights, but when I read the talking points, realized there were a lot of great arguments that had never crossed my mind. Cehck them out, very very powerful.
6:02

Bob Jacobson:
California Office of Privacy Protection -- do we have a connection?www.privacyprotection.ca.gov
6:02
HarryWaisbren:
Dave: lobby day, talking to reps. Pushign middle class sensibiliteis really important in all this with reps.
6:03

korkie:
i'm here for a while longer .....
6:03

Bob Jacobson:
California had its 2010 Privacy Day:http://www.privacyprotection.ca.gov/data_privacy_day2010.htm
6:03
HarryWaisbren:
Soren:charityandsecurity.orghas a great article on this.
6:05
HarryWaisbren:
Soren: PDF that talks about counter terrorism methods, way treasury uses various databases as beneficiary and staff for aid agencies and NGOs. Handicaps charities from addressing route causes of terorirsm, spectacularly low perecentage who have aided terror.

Soren: NDOs comitted to practicing non-violence, not aiding hte bad actors.
6:06

Bob Jacobson:
Here is a listing of privacy advocacy organizations, nationwide:http://www.privacyprotection.ca.gov/links.htm#one
6:07
HarryWaisbren:
Mark: infinite volume of materials and potentail allies. Need a concrete mission statement, objectives, with some clarity even if very broad. What input we need and what we want to tie into, and what we want to do when we get everything together.
6:07

Bob Jacobson:
I always wonder, given our nonpartisan nature, can't we get a grant from a foundation that would underwrite the activities in which we are engaged and want to be engaged?
6:08

Bob Jacobson:
We'd need to be a nonprofit.
6:08
HarryWaisbren:
But we are not non-partisan. Originally a group of obama supporters who organized on his own social network. :)
6:08

Bob Jacobson:
Not anymore.
6:09
HarryWaisbren:
We have manifested into something differnet, but the core that we have hope that Obama can "Get FISA Right" still continues. We have never abdicated that original relationship, though it's certainly a worthy debate of whether we should move in a non-partisan, direction.
6:09

[Comment From Guest]
Bob, we are still officially partisan.
6:10

Bob Jacobson:
Does it help to be officially partisan?
6:11

jon:
Bob, we have a lot more flexibility beause we're not a non-partisan organzation
6:11

jon:
a lot of what we do would cross over the line to lobbying
6:12

Bob Jacobson:
I think we've de facto crossed that line. Not to invoke the law, but in practical terms. I'm going to contact the ACLU, my Democratic Representative, and see about the AZ Tea Party. Doesn't that suggest nonparitsanship status?
6:13

Bob Jacobson:
Or rather, multi-partisanship?
6:13
HarryWaisbren:
Talat: going there, collaboration of 6 orgs. Arab American Institute, arab American coaliton of NY, Muslim American coalition, couple of other Arab organizations dealing iwth civil liberties.

Talat: asking a few questions from my perspective, how life has changed as Arab Americans. When 9/11 happened htings were not as bad, but not, thigns are getting worse by the day.
6:13

jon:
bob, i was just about to type multi-partisanship
6:13

Bob Jacobson:
Who will do the mission statement?
6:14
HarryWaisbren:
Talat: I was pulled over hte other day, was asked if I was from this countr, where I was born.

Talat: cahnging legislation, extending by a year, center for constitutional rights had a panel discussion in manhatten...how to make new rules regarding terrorism at home. More and more about targeting muslim americans than ever before.
6:14

Sally:
I can be part of a mission statement committee; great editorial skills, less writing skillls.
6:14

jon:
oops, i just lost the phone connection
6:14

jon:
i think that working on our mission statement is a GREAT idea
6:14

korkie:
I am sorry to hear this. I have friends in my area who are going through the same thing.
6:14

Bob Jacobson:
I have time to help and did similar things for State of California and for the ACLU case against AT&T.
6:15

Bob Jacobson:
But I don't work well alone. We need people to bounce off of, apart from these plenary sessions.
6:15
HarryWaisbren:
Talat to send email about meeting tomorrow.
6:15

Sally:
www.standingonthesideoflove.orgis working primarily on immigration and LGBT issues, but standing with those who are being profiled seems to be a good issue for them.
6:15

jon:
agreed, we'll need to figure out how to get involvement in this mission statement
6:15

korkie:
Great idea. Let us know if there are any petitions you would want us to sign or what we can do to help.
6:16

jon:
harry: as closely as i had followed the issues, i didn't realize it was getting worse for Arab-Americans ...
6:16

jon:
Talat: yes, it's getting worse
6:16
HarryWaisbren:
Increasingly emphasize hte racial components to these policies? Clearly are abhorrent....
6:16

Bob Jacobson:
Who's our catalyst, then, to provoke mission elements and collect them into a file, folder, document, etc.?
6:16

Sally:
Do we all agree to share our E-mail addresses with each other, to send periodic group E-mails? I'm not on Facebook, nor do I want to be.
6:16

Bob Jacobson:
That I cannot do due to travel.
6:17

jon:
bob and sally, a process suggestion: let's make the mission statement a topic for next phone call ... can you lead the discussion?
6:17

Bob Jacobson:
Depends when it is.
6:17

jon:
Sally -- yes most of us share email addresses with each other, and there are others who aren't on Facebook too
6:17
HarryWaisbren:
Good question about tea parties contributing to racial element. Need to be conscious of such dynamics, or the perception of htem even at the least, in our engagement....
6:18

Bob Jacobson:
I could do up an agenda with Sally and others who want to help out. My email isbluefire@well.com. Put FISA in the subject line to avoid filtering.
6:18

Soren:
Talat, others, feel free to add me to your e-mail lists:impeccableliberalcredentials@gmail.comHappy to hear about work on mission statements, may occasionally be able to contribute ideas, time occasionally.
6:18

[Comment From Jim Burrows]
If you can work evenings, Bob, I might be available to bounce things off of.
6:18

Bob Jacobson:
This would be a good cause for the Tea Party to buy some respectability. Think about it that way.
6:19

Bob Jacobson:
Thanks, Jim. Send coordinates.
6:19

Bob Jacobson:
The enemies of my enemies are my friends. Our common foe is institutional surveillance. That's how you build coalitions.
6:19

jon:
standing up for the profilee resonates with me :-)
6:20

Jim Burrows:
brons@eldacur.com- and I can give you my cell phone by mail
6:20

korkie:
The teabaggers are a reaction to the fear of having a black president.
6:20

Bob Jacobson:
Do send mail. It makes it easier to put into my Address Book.
6:20

korkie:
Imagine how we, people of color feel ......
6:20

jon:
if anybody else wants to drop their email addresses in the chat room, we'll loop everybody together ...
6:21
HarryWaisbren:
hwaisbren@gmail.com
6:21

Bob Jacobson:
But the Tea Party is organizing; we aren't. So find out how to use them. And twist them back into a better perspective. Or not, and watch them elect Republicans.
6:21

Jim Burrows:
Thank you, Jon
6:21

korkie:
Keith Olbermann had a very good comment on this very issue
6:22
HarryWaisbren:
Jon: great conversation. Pointing ot a different way of looking at this coalition tahn we ahd in the past.

Jon: great discussion in chat room about looking at mission statement, maybe for next phone call
6:22

korkie:
I know who I do not want to work with .......
6:22

Bob Jacobson:
If people will email me their willingness to work on the mission statement and their coordinates, I'll put together a private mailing list. Don't leave your info here, it's too difficult to copy!
6:22
HarryWaisbren:
Just happen to have that link open Korkie:http://firedoglake.com/2010/02/16/early-morning-swim-keith-olbermanns-special-comment-on-racism-and-the-tea-party-movement/

Not sure if I entirely agree, as Ron Paulian libertarian elements aren't as racialized, but I don't believe we can afford to be naive to the motivations of certain aspects of the teabaggers.
6:22

Bob Jacobson:
bluefire@well.clm
6:23

Bob Jacobson:
bluefire@well.com
6:23

Dave Mitchell:
davemitchell@riseup.net
6:23

Jim Burrows:
Yes, Bob. The tea-party is fueled by many things. And one of them is/was civil liberties, but it is being overwhelmed by the neocon elements.
6:23

[Comment From Sally]
PolitiSal@aol.com
6:23

Mark Dorlester:
markqd@comcast.net
6:23

korkie:
say again?
6:23

Bob Jacobson:
Take back the Tea Party!
6:23

Bob Jacobson:
How's that for a slogan?
6:23

jon:
:-)
6:24

Bob Jacobson:
I don't have Sally's coordinates.
6:24

Jim Burrows:
We should be able to pick up some of the older Ron Paul type tea-partiers. They are not happy about the neo-con take-over.
6:24

Bob Jacobson:
The rest I can pick from the transcript, I suppose. Prefer email.
6:24
HarryWaisbren:
The tea party is splitting along libertarian vs. socail conservative/neocon lines. Many are very uncomfortable with Sarah Palin especially.
6:24

Sally:
Bob:PolitiSal@aol.com, 201/391.7243
6:24

Bob Jacobson:
What is most important at the moment is to prevent reupping of FISA
6:25

Bob Jacobson:
Thanks, Sally.
6:25

korkie:
People of color will not work with the tea baggers. Not when they are being supported by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Buchanan, Palin
6:25

Bob Jacobson:
We can use a wiki to share ideas.
6:25

jon:
i've got to drop off the call ... great discussion
6:26

Sally:
Back to wetpaint!
6:26

jon:
excellent point, wetpaint would be a great place to share ideas for the mission statement!
6:26

korkie:
I have to go. Will I be able to get a listing of the emails listed?
6:26

Bob Jacobson:
I'll check it out, Jon.
6:27

Bob Jacobson:
Who's speaking?
6:27

jon:
does it make sense to start a thread for discussions?
6:27

Bob Jacobson:
That's great, Jon. Much easier.
6:27

jon:
korkie: yes, we'll include emails in the mail that goes out
6:27

Jim Burrows:
Yes, Jon. Makes sense.
6:27

Bob Jacobson:
First Amendment.
6:27

korkie:
mark is speaking
6:27

Sally:
Fourth Amendment.
6:28

Bob Jacobson:
Both.
6:28

korkie:
goodnight all .......
6:28
HarryWaisbren:
take care Korkie! Thanks for joining us.
6:29

Bob Jacobson:
Got to run. I have a copy of the transcript. Is that the sum total of people interested in working on the mission statement? Will this be posted on the Wet Paint site?
6:29

Sally:
The concept of rights are inherent, the government doesn't grant them, nor does the Constitution, it protects citizens from government taking them away.
6:29

Bob Jacobson:
Jon, I'll chat with you privately. Thanks.
6:30

Bob Jacobson:
Harry, was that you speaking?
6:30
HarryWaisbren:
that was Mark
6:31

Bob Jacobson:
Okay, make sure you either post your emails here if you want to work on the mission statement or send them to me:bluefire@well.com. You have a copy of the transcript, too.
6:31

Bob Jacobson:
Bye from the desert.
6:32

Jim Burrows:
Jon, email the list to everyone on the list.
6:34
HarryWaisbren:
Fantastic call everyone!
6:34

Jim Burrows:
Yes,
6:34

Jim Burrows:
Sorry I was late
6:34

Sally:
Good night, all! Be well!
6:34

Jim Burrows:
7:30-8:30 on Tuesday is hard for me.
6:35

Jim Burrows:
But it sounds like tehre was a substantial bump in participation this time.


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