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[Comment From Mark Dorlester]
Hello from blizard central
3:52
HarryWaisbren:
Hey there Mark, been dealing with the blizzard in WI myself!
3:52

[Comment From Denzil]
Hello!
3:53

[Comment From Guest]
hi! mark, hi harry
3:54
HarryWaisbren:
Hi Denzil, hi Guest (who might you be?)! Glad you all are here for the call.
3:55

[Comment From Denzil]
I'm a little under the weather today so I'll be listening in and participating in chat.
3:57

jon:
mark how bad is it there?
4:03

jon:
the conyers bill appears to have passed the intelligence committee unmarked
4:04

jon:
with the snow, congress is gone
4:05

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: works in our favor, Conyers bill is only substantive bill in this context. No time for any consideration, my guess is that Conyers bill since it passed House Intellgience committee and Senate bill as far as I know has not, would hope Conyers bill would go sailing through as is.
4:06

jon:
harry: democratic pushback on republican talking ptoins criticizing obama's reaction to the underwear bomber
4:08

HarryWaisbren:
Mark describing Obama's efforts to change the atmosophere: problem though is I don't think it's going to happen
4:09

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: think a lot is going to come down to fall elections. Seems to me that Obama is focusing on longer term, makign this leap of faith that at some point hte American public will be through this and get sick of it
4:09

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: what he is doing in short term politically is suicidal. His presidency as it stands is gone.
4:10

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: on present course, don't know any way to get it back
4:10

jon:
harry you can skip the notes on this ...
4:13

jon:
political situation favors working with tea party folks
4:14

jon:
republican politicians aren't following constituents on civil liberties!
4:14

jon:
mark: key point to include in our strategy
4:14

jon:
harry to do blog post, cross-posted on FDL and The Seminal
4:14

jon:
i mean cross-posted on GFR and The Seminal
4:15

jon:
Jane Hamsher's been looking for libertarians to write there
4:15

jon:
harry: so central
4:15

Mark Dorlester:
Key Points
4:16

HarryWaisbren:
Jon:change.orgstuff going on, figure out how to best promote
4:16

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: key things from last year: 1. guest post onchange.orgcriminal justice blog very effective, only need to ask presumably.
4:16

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: can also do one on immigration blog, need someone to do the post
4:17

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: promoting idea, something short, why you should vote for us
4:17

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: Jim and I had long conversation on "case statement". Agree that we're into a large issue here, of which FISA is one if horrible example.
4:18

jon:
maybe sally to help withchange.orgpost?
4:19

jon:
chip?
4:19

jon:
julian?
4:20

jon:
soemthing that promotes both
4:20

jon:
(both our idea and BORDC's)
4:20

jon:
hegemommy
4:21

jon:
jon to approach Jessica (aka Hegemommy)
4:21

jon:
jim will be busy with Mark
4:21

jon:
harry to go to IVAW. they suggested that i come with as much information as possible -- ideally with case statement
4:22

jon:
IVAW has had internal progresive/libertarian splits, this cold be something they might jump on. great for 9/11 event
4:22

jon:
let's wait till case statement is at least in draft form
4:23

jon:
mark: need to do a focused attempt to reach out to as much of the national potential consituency as possible
4:24

jon:
new process reid's looking at for patriot reauthorization:
4:24

jon:
straight reauth for a year, embedded injobs bill
4:24

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: straight reauthorization for a year utnil feb 2011, embedded in jobs bill. omnibus, just ramming it through, don't know waht to think about it
4:24

jon:
mark: better than four years
4:24

jon:
rationale for not including any protections is preposterous
4:25

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: presidential election prospects going on then, awful time.
4:25

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: up to whether house opposes
4:25

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: presented as jobs bill, ahrd to oppose
4:25

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: no legislative time, especially with snow storm shutting DC down.
4:26

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: derailing jobs bill is way outside our mandate
4:26

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: lot of poitical space to decry process. but shoving the issue procedurally under the rug, kill the debate.
4:26

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: almost as if they don't really want a debate on this
4:27

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: could be a plus in the sense that we might have ended up with something similar except a 4 year horizon
4:27

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: one thing about the one year stuff is could be an election issue for Nov. in districts of progs plus libertarians in close races, the splitting of hte tea party crowd we were talking about, could have an impact
4:28

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: makes sense looking at primary calendar too
4:28

jon:
aligns with iowa and new hampshire
4:28

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: hate to pivot downstream 3 years...
4:29

HarryWaisbren:
key is changing debate over hte long term...
4:29

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: process wise, need to make ti a point to get together and strategize next week. Anything we can do in the short term, which I doubt there is.
4:29

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: not that I see.
4:29

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: when surveillance coalition has an idea of what they think and what their plans are, will help us decide what to do
4:29

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: my impression is they already thrown in the towel.
4:31

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: focus on using presidential election as lever next year, look to that, lot of things we can do. Very somber right now, but lot of goign forard opportunities especially fiw et hink about places we can set the agenda into political discourse.
4:31

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: big fan of doing that at a local level
4:31

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: with privacy coalition, saw no interesting new ideas of changing tone other than local ordinances. Seems like most promising thing around, if we couple local hubs online, entwork together for national effort.
4:32

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: if we can make a statement of why folks should care. Beyond our own coalition, talking about other "market segments" discussing earlier.
4:33

jon:
harry: working with the Ron Paul, Tea Party, etc. groups -- could change everything
4:33

jon:
BORDC has always done this well
4:34

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: part of problem is our outreach si that local networks have gone. Looking for groups now at local level.
4:35

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: resource gap is figuirng out on a local level how people can support this more than saying they're against it. Key is comign up with local event ot use as a vehicle to draw energy together.
4:36

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: i'll get in touch with dream activists
4:36

jon:
/action jon to connect shahid with dream activists
4:36

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: need to bring forward people who don't know yet that they're with us. The poeple who hate the government, never mind civil rights or liberties.
4:39

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: haven't planned on doing a mailing forchange.org
4:40

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: give a few days, see if there is momentum. Last time 2,000 votes to get into next round. Co-promoting, if things start to seem close by early next week (deadline 18th), might be worth thinking about doing something.
4:40

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: newsletter going out 15th/16th.
4:40

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: different categories, so can push both of ours
4:40

HarryWaisbren:
Jon:democrats.comdid a mailing to us last time, could ask for them to do yours as well
4:40

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: thinking through our schedule
4:41

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: key is instructions about hwo to sign intochange.org, really hard if poeple don't already know
4:41

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: going to do guest blog posts, other wise forwarding. Haven't hit FB group yet, will incldue yours as well.
4:42

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: see how we are over weekend, how much we want to through into it
4:42

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: have another cahnnel through Naomi Wolf's FB page
4:42

HarryWaisbren:
Jon: fan pages tougher, updates don't go into inbox
4:43

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: Wofl on our advisory board, acquiring organization she helped build. When we have that, our online reach will triple.
4:44

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: once we get acquisition, she will do more book tours. Wes Boyd among principals for her online outreach previously.
4:44

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: seeing her next weekend
4:45

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: she would probably do a tweetchat
4:46

HarryWaisbren:
She can also be valuable connecting veterans
4:46

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: Mathis Chirouex of IVAW is staying there too.
4:47

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: reaching out to military service members and families, talking to Mathis about doing more here. Lobby day, one person from VA was active duty service member.
4:49

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: being screwed this way presents a huge opportunity to us
4:52

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: believe there is potentially a hgue coalition, theoretically a majority, of people out there.
4:54

HarryWaisbren:
Kokesh exhibits libertarian progerssive split within IVAW even
4:55

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid on how we can best frame this: have to focus on the people walking outside not even paying attention. Public dimension to privacy. Private dimension, dont' want gov looking int heir stuff. For epole with nothing to hide, say look at my stuff.
4:56

HarryWaisbren:
Shahid: public dimension is the creative stifling. Libertarians don't need to hear that though, doesn't resonate. For those folks, idea of documetned abuses in IG reports. Gov has confirmed they are systematically violating the law.
4:57

HarryWaisbren:
Mark: I would ask Naomi Wolf how can we take this issue and get attention of the legitimate folks out there, be they teabaggers or mainstream republicans, or ron paul people, whoever is in that audience there that may be concerned underneath but haven't articulated it yet
4:59

HarryWaisbren:
Dem capitulation is what sprung us and FISA issue into mainstream attention last summer in first place...Maybe it could happen again here if we are looking for a shred of silver lining.


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Sallijane Sorry I missed the call 0 Feb 11 2010, 7:46 AM EST by Sallijane
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Somehow didn't know what time it was; had thought it was Tuesday. Anyway, I will help with posting on change.org if someone tells me how to go about it. When I last checked, we had 52 votes, needed 335 to get into final round. That # of 300+ has been pretty consistent since we put it up, even though we may have drifted down a few places. We probably need to get some blog/newsletter coverage to get the ~42 votes a day for the next 8 days. With coverage, I think we can make it—especially if we publicize the attempt to ram through an extension without debate. We can make the case that (1) the jobs bill would pass without it, so why attach it? to reps: feel free to vote against it, as Rep. Payne has been doing on “defense” $ authorization regardless of what it was attached to, and (2) Candidate Obama decried the combining unpopular/expensive measures with ones sure to pass when it was done by the Bush administration, why is he allowing that tactic to be used when he promised not to do so? I'm not especially happy to suggest speaking against the president, but as we had no difficulty doing so against Bush, it would be, IMHO, either hypocritical or too partisan to refrain from being equally honest with a president we helped vote into office.
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